Within hours of posting the video on the internet this was the first comment, “We are supposed to be Christians who love each other. The thing that amazes me about all of you preachers and teachers is how arrogant some of you are. Each one of you thinks you are right. Maybe all of you are wrong. Maybe some of you are right. Maybe all of you are right in some way. How can you not humble yourselves and agree that you are all trying to figure this out? You are all going to be surprised when you stand before the King and find out just how little you do know.”
This comment is really a very clever ad hominem attack.
Rather than address the debate or defend the indefensible it is much easier to accuse the messenger of being unloving, not humble, and arrogantly stupid, but he did it very well. One thing I will cop to is not being popular, there I could take lessons from Chuck Missler, if that were my object. I have been tempted to make those necessary compromises with the truth, but my Bible also says that the fear of YHWH is the beginning of knowledge, so I let that govern my conduct here.
Honestly I wont be surprised at all how little I knew when Yahushua returns, but are we not supposed to point out false teaching now?.. perhaps some have a lower standard of honesty. If I were to say that “a gap or interval is express, and not conjecture in the text of Dan 9.26″ I would be a liar and or deceived. What Chuck claims is there, is not there. The good Pastor always says, “don’t trust me, look in the book, make sure what I’m saying is in there…” This verse is only 50 words, the question is not that complicated. Being humble is not the same thing as being gullible. Does Chuck not need to repent, or is that unloving?
Just how important is this question? It is the cornerstone of the entire Futurist scheme of eschatology, the Achilles Heel if you will. Certainly there are a thousand supporting verses for every fallacy, but that makes them no less false. Tens of thousands of “Christians” make decisions every day based on the Futurist Eschatological scheme of things, because it puts things which they should be concerned with today off to a future which is primarily a fantasy. At the same time confining eminent and future dangers to a false “seventieth week” period of time in the nether future which even when that comes they will be “pre-tribulation raptured” to safety.
Pastors, if you are going to teach on the 7 year tribulation, Daniel chapter 9 or anything that springs from this view of prophecy, then you must watch this video if you want to be sure that you are not engaged in a fallacy or teaching one. The video speaks for itself. As for me, I must obey God rather than man and what popularity demands.
Peace
Nicklas
Nicklas,
Firstly, Ive not spent lot of time studying the Daniel prophecy, however, I do agree with your take on it that it HAS been fullfilled.
Shalom and keep up the blessed work,
David
Ribera was not the first futurist…
That is true brother – before the time or anyone realized that the seat of the papacy and the seat of the anti christ were one and the same they were all futurist or mistaken. However Ribera was the first to propose it as major counter-reformation work.
Great video my friend, I am of the belief that as in most truths once you see the truth it makes so much scene that it cannot be refuted
Hello, sorry if this is long but, just for the record, I love the Lord’s Word, and honest attempts by the Lord’s children to seek clarity from the Father’s holy scriptures is always a delight. Sheila makes a very important point which doesn’t seem to have been given it’s due. The true place to look for a gap or no gap is in the verse least referenced and that’s 26. When you start with this verse the whole debate must be re-framed and perhaps one might even arrive at a different view completely.
Verse 26 ” And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off.. Dan 9:25-26 (KJV)” First, how does Messiah get “cut off” before His 69th week arrival in verse 24?
We seem to always start with Verse 24…”unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks Dan 9:25 (KJV)” or rather the infamous 69 weeks from which we all seem to begin timing out the seventieth week assuming it’s the correct starting point. Actually there are 8 more weeks to account for out of the 70 weeks when one starts with verse 26. That’s a total of 56 years to mark out. While true dating is always murky, it is generally agreed Jesus was crucified between 30-33 AD.
The 63rd week is the one where Jesus makes a covenant for 1 week in verse 27 “And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: ” Dan 9:26-27 (KJV). This is the week in which he is actually “cut off” in the middle of the week, after the completion of 62 uneventful weeks of years before Messiah arrived. We still have 7 weeks, or 49 years, which need to be added to the end of the 63rd week………..
Humbly submitted
GVP
The seven weeks which you want to add at the end of the 62 weeks actually preceded them. The 7 weeks were first. 7weeks+62weeks+1=70 I do actually study and research thoroughly before I share my findings here. Watch the next chapter-it may be helpful for you. Peace
7 yr. deception
I forgot to mention that since Jesus refers to Daniel’s “abomination of desolations” as yet to occur, there are others who believe that Daniel’s prophecy was fulfiiled in 70 A.D. when Jerusalem was destroyed by Titus. Still, some argue that there was no “abomination of desolation,” set up in the temple, even though it was destroyed.
The “abomination of desolation” [Mat 24] was a sign given by the Messiah to let his followers know when it was urgent to flee Judea so they would not get caught in the “end thereof [shall be] with a flood” [Dan 9:26], the destruction of the nation. So we know that it happened before the destruction of the Temple.
I agree with you on this and don’t see a gap here either. However, the traditional dispensationalists assume a gap between v.26 and v.27 by reading the account here as parallel to Dan. 11:31-35, and specifically to v.35 where it says, “until the time of the end, for there is still an interval until the time apointed.” There is also Rev. 10:6, “There will be no more delay,” implying a delay or interval had occured.
I’m not saying I agree with the dispensationalists. This interval could merely be referring to the remainig 3 1/2 years, after the abomination of desolations is set up. Still, there are others who believe that this prophecy of Daniel was fulfiiled by Antiochus Epihanes. The only problem with that is that the “anointed one” was not cut off in the time of Antiochus Epihanes. So, Antiochus is considered to be a foreshadowing of the antichrist, and the prophecy is projectected into the future with the period between the crucifixion and the last 7 weeks being the dispensation or church age. In essence the “interval” theory is the only way they can make the prophecy work.
When I looked the Daniel references. I found that in Daniel 9:24 “70 weeks”. In verse 25, it says seven weeks, and three score and two weeks = 69 weeks. but then in verse 26 it shares that after the first 62 weeks (threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself) which leaves us with 7 weeks of the initial 69 week reference in verse 25 where the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. then in verse 27 is where he shall confirm the convenant with many for one week…. (the 70th week). It would appear that the “gap” being references would be between the 62nd and 69th weeks and then the 70th week follows congruently. Just a thought that came to me when hearing this message and looking at my KJV Bible.
first type mistake I meant to put seventy weeks in the second line for verse 25. .
Not sure I understand exactly what you are trying to say. the passage divides into 3 segments
7 weeks + 62 weeks + 1 week = total 70 weeks. taken literally there are no gaps.
hope this clears things up for you.
correct. That is what i was pointing at. I could not find a gap, I was suggesting that the “gap” might have been referenced to the 62 + “7″ + 1. the seven years that he did not mention or bring up. He included the 62 + 7 together to equal 69 and missed the second section of verse 25, so he must be thinking there was a gap. I haven’t seen the video but from your clip, I am in complete agreement with you. The 70 years is without any gaps.
God Bless
Chuck Missler is truly a GOOD agent of the Vatican and her Jesuits. May he repent or suffer the ETERNAL consequences of his damnable heresies and blasphemy!
Serving Christ and his Church
Michael J. Novielli
amen brother
I agree. There is just no way to find a gap in those verses. Nice job. What 99% of Christians don’t realize is that the futurist theory they go along with came from a Jesuit priest in Spain, Francisco Ribera (1537-1591) who was a part of the Counter Reformation group.
yes sister, more people need to understand this history!