Rapture or Resurrection?

I never could understand the “Secret Rapture doctrine”, How does that work? Millions of people disappear from the earth, and nobody notices? What is that, a Doctor Who episode?

rapture1Unfortunately, we are not talking about a Doctor Who episode. The reason it is a secret is because God did not put it in His Word! This fact alone I find very troubling. But God first revealed it to a Church of Scotland minister, named Edward Irving, who was the first to preach the “rapture gospel” about 1830. One of his church members, Margaret MacDonald consequently had a vision from which the pre-tribulation rapture sprang. This “secret rapture” was promoted by Irving claiming he, too, had heard a “voice” from heaven commanding him to teach it. Some modern researchers submit that Irving’s speculations of the “…rapture were influenced by the Spanish Jesuit Priest Lacunza, whose book Irving had translated in 1827 under the title, The coming of the Messiah in Glory and Majesty.”

JesLeftBehindToday Rapture Eschatology is a purely Protestant and Evangelical held doctrine. Official Catholic doctrine holds any one who believes in a literal-physical return of Christ and a thousand year reign to be heretics according to Mark Mallet the Modern Catholic Evangelist and Prophet. So the question arises; Why are Protestants using a Latin word like rapture instead of English or at least the Greek from which our Protestant Bibles are translated? Perhaps the speculation which has scrutinized Irving’s work as springing from the influence of the Jesuit Priest Lacunza should be seriously considered. Especially in light of the fact that the highly debated three raptures are anchored upon a false interpretation of Daniels 70th week and the counter-reformation end-time Anti-Christ eschatology of another Jesuit Priest, 16th century Francisco Ribera.
My conclusion?

Rapture is a Latin cult Word.

I believe in the Resurrection.

 That God did not put the rapture in His Word can only be explained by the fact that He allegedly kept it a secret until He revealed it to Mr. Irving about 1830. What this means is that God gave him a private interpretation! I think the bible adequately addresses the subject of private interpretation:

We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: (20) Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. (21) For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. 2Peter 1:19-21

There are very few verses that directly address the Resurrection in detail. You will notice that none of them incorporate time lapsed phases into the event nor is it anywhere said to precede, divide or follow a seven year tribulation period. Neither is it ever related to Daniel’s seventieth week.

But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words. (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18)
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (1 Corinthians 15:51-52)

The challenge is to find:
– Any verse that explicitly divides the resurrection into several events.
– Any verse that explicitly states that the resurrection is tied to a seven year tribulation period.
– Any verse that explicitly places the resurrection in, around, or at the end of the seventieth week of Daniel.
– Any verse that places the resurrection anywhere other than at the last trump preceding the return of Christ.

None of these hypothesis are possible with out the construction of conjecture, by conjecture any proposition may be constructed. Pure conjecture is not the proper way to interpret Bible prophecy.

5 thoughts on “Rapture or Resurrection?”

  1. Thess speaking of the meeting in the air is about the Rapture, in scripture before these people of whom you speak made it up. The Rapture is a part of the Second Coming, there are 3 events in the Second Coming. They are the three Fall Feasts of the Lord. Christ fulfilled the first 4 Spring Feasts at the First Coming and will fulfill the Second Coming in the Fall Feasts with 3 events.
    Rosh hashana is known by the Jews as the “day no man knows” aka the Rapture…departure. Rapture and the Resurrection of the Righteous Dead is the same event. Meeting Him in the air and taken to the Bema Judgement Seat of Christ where the Bride receives gifts/rewards/wedding garments. These 3 Fall Feasts are included in the Second Coming with the Rapture/Resurrection of the Righteous Dead the first event of 3. Just as Christ fulfilled all in the First Coming so shall He fulfill all in the Second Coming. Study the Feasts of the Lord, not called the Feasts of the Jews, which is all about Christ. Jews did not know He was their Messiah and believers have no knowledge for the most part of these Seven Feasts of the Lord which God declared would be celebrated forever. We are told in scripture to pray that God would make a way of escape for those who see these things in Revelation coming upon the earth. Scripture says no flesh would be saved if the time is not shortened. I believe we are now in tribulation in the world with the murder and persecution of Christians around the world. Beheading/burning/murder of believers and that at the Rapture/Resurrection of the Righteous Dead the great tribulation in Revelation begins. No, the WORD RAPTURE is not in scripture but the events are explained in scripture.


  2. [Greets, CTB. Spotted the following on the www. Any reaction to it? Lord bless you.]


    Many evangelicals believe that Christ will “rapture” them to heaven years before the second coming and (most importantly) well BEFORE Antichrist and his “tribulation.” But Acts 2:34, 35 reveal that Jesus is at the Father’s right hand in heaven until He leaves to destroy His earthly foes at the second coming. And Acts 3:21 says that Jesus “must” stay in heaven with the Father “until the times of restitution of all things” which includes, says Scofield, “the restoration of the theocracy under David’s Son” which obviously can’t begin before or during Antichrist’s reign. (“The Rapture Question,” by the long time No. 1 pretrib authority John Walvoord, didn’t dare to even list, in its scripture index, the above verses! They were also too hot for John Darby – the so-called “father of dispensationalism” – to list in the scripture index in his “Letters”!)
    Paul explains the “times and the seasons” (I Thess. 5:1) of the catching up (I Thess. 4:17) as the “day of the Lord” (5:2) which FOLLOWS the posttrib sun/moon darkening (Matt. 24:29; Acts 2:20) WHEN “sudden destruction” (5:3) of the wicked occurs! The “rest” for “all them that believe” is also tied to such destruction in II Thess. 1:6-10! (If the wicked are destroyed before or during the trib, who’d be left alive to serve the Antichrist?) Paul also ties the change-into-immortality “rapture” (I Cor. 15:52) to the end of trib “death” (15:54). (Will death be ended before or during the trib? Of course not! And vs. 54 is also tied to Isa. 25:8 which Scofield views as Israel’s posttrib resurrection!) It’s amazing that the Olivet Discourse contains the “great commission” for the church but not even a hint of a pretrib rapture for the church!
    Many don’t know that before 1830 all Christians had always viewed I Thess. 4’s “catching up” as an integral part of the final second coming to earth. In 1830 this “rapture” was stretched forward and turned into an idolized separate coming of Christ. To further strengthen their novel view, which evangelical scholars overwhelmingly rejected throughout the 1800s, pretrib teachers in the early 1900s began to stretch forward the “day of the Lord” (what Darby and Scofield never dared to do) and hook it up with their already-stretched-forward “rapture.” Many leading evangelical scholars still weren’t convinced of pretrib, so pretrib teachers then began teaching that the “falling away” of II Thess. 2:3 is really a pretrib rapture (the same as saying that the “rapture” in 2:3 must happen before the “rapture” [“gathering”] in 2:1 can happen – the height of desperation!). Google “Walvoord Melts Ice” for more on this.
    Other Google articles on the 183-year-old pretrib rapture view include “X-Raying Margaret,” “Margaret Macdonald’s Rapture Chart,” “Pretrib Rapture’s Missing Lines,” “Edward Irving is Unnerving,” “The Unoriginal John Darby,” “Catholics Did NOT Invent the Rapture,” “The Real Manuel Lacunza,” “Thomas Ice (Bloopers),” “Wily Jeffrey,” “The Rapture Index (Mad Theology),” “America’s Pretrib Rapture Traffickers,” “Roots of (Warlike) Christian Zionism,” “Scholars Weigh My Research,” “Pretrib Hypocrisy,” “Appendix F: Thou Shalt Not Steal,” “Pretrib Rapture Secrecy,” “Deceiving and Being Deceived,” “Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty,” “Famous Rapture Watchers,” and “Morgan Edwards’ Rapture View” – most by the author of the bestselling book “The Rapture Plot”.


  3. I don’t believe in ‘the ressurection’, rather I believe on the word. And I seem to find in the word three (3) ressurections:
    The first [or better] ressurection;for saints,1000 years, messiah with us in person, satan in chains.
    The second [crappier?]; satan loosed for 100 years,
    The third ; for judgement day.
    Also I think they relate to;
    Trumpets, atonement, Last great day.


    1. from 1828 websters
      RAP’TURE, n. [L. raptus, rapio.]
      1. A seizing by violence. [Little used.]
      2. Transport; ecstasy; violence of a pleasing passion; extreme joy or pleasure.
      Music when thus applied, raises in the mind of the hearer great conceptions; it strengthens devotion and advances praise into rapture.
      3. Rapidity with violence; a hurrying along with velocity; as rolling with torrent rapture.
      4. Enthusiasm; uncommon heat of imagination.
      You grow correct, that once with rapture writ.

      too much violence!


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