SDA Church is Neither Historicist or Protestant – Prophecy Reality News Live

Throughout history, history has proven prophecy to be true, verified by history itself. How convenient to come up with an interpretation that cannot be verified by history because it does not take place on earth! Unlike all of the rest of historical prophecy this interpretation (The Investigative Judgement) is absolutely useless, and like futurism is a total speculation. Speculation cannot be verified. This is only one reason why SDA’s are not truly Historicist or Protestant.

3 thoughts on “SDA Church is Neither Historicist or Protestant – Prophecy Reality News Live”

  1. Interesting arguments. I know quite a few people no are or were in the sda Church. Unfortunately the legalistic view on things has lead to some relatives leaving the faith entirely.


  2. Peter, You are doing here the same thing that the futurist do, by the conjecture of numerous vague and obscure old testament prophecies you have found the USA. This is not the Historicist method. I had never read E. G. White but have applied the historicist method to come to my conclusion. see my article here:
    So are you saying that America is not the Earth Beast? If not, who is, and how do you qualify them?


  3. Admin. You do share one E G White teaching, unfortunately, which I believe smothers a historicist revelation of the identity of the United States of America, which contrary to the smokeclouds that obscure this truth used by all church groups today, that the USA prominent as it is today, is not identified – in fact totally missing – in bible endtime prophecy, even as the king of the West, surprisingly.

    That teaching that America is the second beast of Revelation 13:11 with two horns like a lamb, speaks like a dragon, and from the earth. I do not share that view. No offence.

    When the ‘east wind’ is with you, it comes from the east and blows westwards as found billowing in the sails of the Mayflower in 1620.
    This is the actual east wind, not metaphorical.

    Americans went west from England and became originally thirteen colonies. New England? Then “Go west young man” became the catch cry identified only with America. They went so far west that Alaska became the 49th State and Hawaii the 50th State, the far west. They became ‘The West’ in the Western Hemisphere.

    Hosea 12:1 RSV. Ephraim herds the wind, and pursues the east wind all day long. [Ephraim is what was originally thirteen colony America. They went as far west as was possible – oblivious to their bible identity.]

    This has never been recognized and is why America is in the parlous state it is in today. They do not know who they are in the bible. The key word, both establishing this fact and hiding this fact is the word EAST. The king of the west identity is blurred by the word ‘East’.

    When the ‘east wind’ is against you, it goes contrary to its normal direction east to west, in reverse against itself west to east. That is because metaphorically it is a ‘sword’ as in the case of Japan attacking Pearl Harbor. The short cut is taken from the Far East to the Far West backwards across the International dateline instead of circumnavigating the globe the long route of the factual wind, because we are dealing with a metaphor – a sword of war.

    Hosea 13:15-16. Though he may flourish as the reed plant, the east wind, the wind of the LORD shall come, rising from the wilderness; and his fountain shall dry up, his spring shall be parched; it shall strip his treasury of every precious thing. Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open.
    Hosea 9:13. Ephraim’s sons, as I have seen, are destined for a prey; Ephraim must lead forth his sons to slaughter.
    Hosea 10:13-14. Because you have trusted in your chariots and in the multitude of your warriors, therefore the tumult of war shall rise among your people, and all your fortresses shall be destroyed. . . . In the storm the king (Presidency) shall be utterly cut off. [No more Republic. End of USA. America has made God their foe Hosea 7:13 resulting in Hosea 9:12 – God has made America his foe in return.]
    This could be Nth Korea, China and Russia combined.

    America takes no part in world affairs in the latter days because it is no longer in existence as a nation of 50 or any States. That is because they are ignorant of whom they are and believe their Constitution written by men is superior to the Statutes and Ordinances of God, written and spoken by Moses, and covenanted with God, that would protect them from the likes of Obama, and the UN membership that works against them. Deut 17:15 / 7:2. [To berate the Constitution like this would be regarded as blasphemy by even Conservative Americans.]

    America left the throne of God in 1776 prior to which they were under his shadow the Throne of David, living in splendid isolation. Hosea 3:4-5. America became a Fascist Republic in the shadow of the Vatican as a weak ‘Shade’ puppet government in its shadow as the ‘sceptre of rulers’. Isaiah 14:4,5,9,10 under Satan Isaiah 14:12 KJV as Lucifer. They will in the end be rescued and returned under the throne of David Hosea 3:5, and under the shadow of God. Hosea 14:7.

    Uncle Sam 1 Samuel Chapter 8 warned of the repercussions of rejecting God’s rule which morphed into the throne of David to be inherited by a King of kings called Jesus, a kingdom without end. Luke 1:9-10 / Isaiah 9:6-7. The repercussions would be heavy taxation for deserting government under God’s shadow of protection. Hosea 14:7.

    Hosea 10:3-4. For now they will say : “We have no king, for we fear not the LORD, and a king, what could he do for us?” They utter mere words; with empty oaths they make covenants [Constitution]. So justice springs up like poisonous weeds in the furrows of the field. [14th Amendment of Constitution was used Roe vs Wade 1972 to legalize abortion on demand. This was Constitutional evil. This was America at its worst.]
    (This king was royalty replaced with Presidential elected king that is chosen by the people in this rebellion against God and the throne of David called ‘The American Revolution’ leading to ‘Independence Day’ at the behest of, and in the shadow of the Vatican and Black Pope of Jesuitry, under Satan.

    Hosea 13:9-10. I will destroy you, O Israel; who can help you? Where now is your king [elected President], to save you; where are all your princes to defend you —- those of whom you said, “Give me a king and princes [President and Congressmen]” ?

    Hosea 8:4. They made kings [Presidents], but not through me. They set up princes [Congressmen], but without my knowledge [elections]. (America became a Fascist rebel shadow democratic puppet Republic – when they rebelled under Vatican Freemasonry coercion under orders from their ‘Unknown Superior’.)

    America became a superpower warmongering ‘attack dog’ that loves to oppress smaller nations for the Vatican warmonger – as crusaders for the ‘wicked, sceptre of rulers’ Isaiah 14:5, King of kings NWO, identified as ‘The great city that reigns over the kings of the earth. Revelation 17:18. [Kings are always of the earth, and this King of kings especially so. So the Vatican is the 2nd beast of Revelation 13:11 contrary to SDA Adventist teaching.

    Hosea 13:1. When Ephraim spoke, men trembled; he was exalted in Israel; but he incurred guilt through Baal and died.

    Hosea 12:7-8. A trader, in whose hands are false balances, he loves to OPPRESS. Ephraim has said, “Ah, but I am RICH; I have gained WEALTH for myself “; but all his riches can never offset the guilt he has incurred.

    America has Congressman princes who would dismantle America’s sovereign boundaries or landmarks. The throne of David is Judaic by descent, not religion. The replacement Republic Presidency and Congress are likened to a false kingdom of the princes of Judah, that has replaced the throne of David.

    Hosea 5:10. The princes of Judah (usurpers) have become like those who remove the LANDMARK.

    Americans after stupidly abandoning their sovereign home borders, become nationless and homeless as ‘wanderers among the nations’ Hosea 9:17, namely refugees as a result of their evil shadow government controlled by the Vatican. There being no nation willing to provide refuge for them they end up in the land of Egypt as slaves.

    Hosea 9:17 My God will cast them off, because they have not hearkened to Him; they shall be wanderers among the nations.

    Hosea 7:15-16. Although I trained and strengthened their arms, yet they devise evil against me. They turn to Baal; they are like a treacherous bow, their princes (Congressmen) shall fall by the sword because of the insolence of their tongue. This shall be their derision in the land of Egypt.

    Hosea 9:3. They shall not remain in the land of the LORD; but Ephraim shall return to Egypt (they left Egypt at the Exodus). [America as a people of the tribe of Ephraim originally in 1620 on the Mayflower has a history. Their descendant’s history predates 1776 of what is perceived as their history, back to antiquity at the Exodus. They were delivered by Moses with the help of their God, and ended right back there millennia later, because the knowledge of God was lost to them, having been replaced by a Constitution in lieu. Hosea 4:1 speaks of ” . . . no knowledge of God in the land”. What of this knowledge? Hosea 4:6. My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge (of God – not socialist universities).
    Isaiah 5:13. Therefore my people go into exile for want of knowledge.
    Amos 7:17. . . . and Israel [not Judah] shall surely go into exile away from its land.

    Now in Egypt, ready for the 2nd Exodus.

    Hosea 11:10-11. They shall go after the LORD, he will roar like a lion; yea he will roar, and his sons shall come trembling from the west; they shall come trembling like birds from Egypt, and like doves from the land of Assyria (Egypt is annexed by Assyria at that time Daniel 11:42. They are enslaved by Assyria in Egypt.)

    Then: Psalm 46:7-11. The Commander of the armies of heaven is here among us. He, the God of Jacob, has come to rescue us. Come, see the glorious things that our God does, how he brings ruin upon the world, and causes wars to end throughout the earth, breaking and burning every weapon. ” Stand silent ! Know that I am God ! I will be honoured by every nation in the world !”
    The Commander of the heavenly armies is here among us ! He, the God of Jacob, has come to RESCUE US !

    There is more, but enough detail is supplied here to eliminate the possibility of any other nation on earth perfectly fitting the historic picture.
    Some of this is historical past. Some is yet future. The United States needs a drastic revision of how it sees itself as taught, from an early age. The book of Hosea is where America – the west – is found in prophecy in the bible. No part of Hosea is remotely reminiscent of E G White’s Revelation 13:11 depiction of the US of A. The onetime ‘New World’ has become chief enforcer for the New World Order since 1776 under the shadow of the Vatican, to their peril. That is all.


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