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All the seed of Abraham would include the descendants of Ishmael. Nobody lived the whole 400 years either. For instance Judah the patriarch of that tribe would not have exited Egypt. You could say any Israelite that did not see out the whole 400 years, because they died of of old age or mishap or brutality or sickness, and those who were born during the 400 years and died before the Exodus, and those who were 80 years old like Moses, and the children born 10 years whatever, before the Exodus, all of them Isaacs seed, and all alive being 100% of that seed, excluding Isaac now dead and Jacob and Joseph etcetera – by then dead, did not fulfill the 400 year prophecy that all Abraham’s seed would be oppressed in a strange, not theirs for 400 years. It is easy to be ridiculous.
The real point is, Egypt is where they were oppressed, ‘a land’ which was not theirs, for 400 years. All the living seed of Abraham through the line of Isaac were there from Genesis 46:26-27 (66 persons excluding wives v 26, plus Ephraim and Manasseh via Joseph, plus Joseph and Jacob makes 70 people), Seventy persons in all, AND THEY ARE NAMED AND NUMBERED from Genesis 46:8 through to Genesis 46:27. Notice Isaac is not named and is not there. He was dead, as were the sons of Judah, Er and Onan who died in the land of Canaan Genesis 46:12.
Clearly the dead were not there, and all the seed of Abraham at the time were all the living seed of Israel, alive at the time.
They were prophesied to go into a strange land not theirs, to be slaves for 400 years. This commenced at at Genesis 46:27 when a complete living family of 70 seed people went.
At first Jacob was dubious and nervous about going down to Egypt. In visions of the night God spoke to Israel (the actual name of Jacob by now), “I am God, the God of your father; do not be afraid to go down to Egypt; for I will there make of you A GREAT NATION.”
The extended family of seventy grew into a nation, IN EGYPT, IN SLAVERY, OVER FOUR HUNDRED YEARS, from the time of Genesis 46:8-27, ending at Exodus 12:40-41 where Egypt is named, as prophesied in Genesis 15:13 where Egypt is not named.
By deduction it can be clearly seen that a strange land not theirs, one country, was Fulfilled in Egypt, one country by all of Abraham’s living seed.
By deduction, the 400 years of Genesis 15:13 was included, and part of the total time spent in Egypt of 430 years of Exodus 12:40-41 which commenced and ended 15th Abib, at the Passover.
By deduction, the thirty years difference, occurs from the time the 70 Israelites went into Egypt at Genesis 46:8-27 till the time, 30 years later, when a Pharaoh with no recollection of Joseph, put the Israelites into slavery at Exodus 1:8-14 and 20.
‘Now there arose a new king over Egypt, who did not know Joseph. And he said to his people, “Behold, the people of Israel are too many and too mighty for us. Come, let us deal shrewdly with them, lest they multiply, and, if war befall us, they join our enemies and fight against us and escape from the land. Therefore they set taskmasters over them to afflict them with heavy burdens; and they built for Pharaoh store-cities, Pithom and Raamses. But the more they were oppressed, the more they multiplied and the more they spread abroad. and the Egyptians were in dread of the people of Israel. So they made the people of Israel serve with rigour, and made their lives bitter with hard service, in mortar and brick, and in all kinds of work in the field; in all their work they made them serve with rigour. . . . . . and the people multiplied and grew very strong.”
Here commences 400 years of slavery through to the time of the Exodus at Exod 12:40-41.
That is Exodus 1:8-14,20 through to Exod 12:40-41 is the period of 400 years prophesied in Genesis 15:13. The land proved to be Egypt confirmed. The period of 30 years occurs from Genesis 46:8-27 through to Exodus 1:8-14, 20. Let the great story be told.
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Esau, Isaac’s seed and descendant of Abraham, also was not there.
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So, when was the Exodus? SC and BC.
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2449 SC – ABOUT 1496 BC see chart here https://nicklasarthur.wordpress.com/2013/04/26/what-year-is-it/
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Exodus 12:40-41 (RSV). The time that the people of Israel dwelt in Egypt was four hundred and thirty years. And at the end of that four hundred and thirty years, on that very day, all the hosts of the LORD went out from the Land of Egypt.
Pretty clear. Israelites are sons of Jacob/Israel. From the time of Joseph, the seventy or so of the embryonic nation of his family lived alongside the Egyptians for the first thirty years, then were enslaved for the final 400 years. 430 years to the day they arrived in Egypt, they also exited Egypt. This day was the 15th Abib or Passover night.
If the 400 years of slavery commenced coinciding with the birth of Isaac, then Isaac was also born on this date. There is no biblical evidence to back this up that I have found.
On the nephilim I wholeheartedly agree and your New Testament quotes are spot on. Fallen angels, of which are 1/3rd of all angels, would be flat out reproducing to outnumber the 2/3rds of non-rebellious angels, if they were able to reproduce. But these remain a fixed number to eternity. I wish some schoolteachers I know had the brains to figure this out. It would change my opinion of schoolteachers. But as you say, they are members of the Public Fool system. Aren’t they?
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Sorry, I cannot go with the corrupted text RSV. AKJV reads: Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years. And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years, even the selfsame day it came to pass, that all the hosts of the LORD went out from the land of Egypt. (Exo 12:40-41)
If the RSV is true then it contradicts this:
#3 The Bible confirms the Egyptian sojourn could not have even approached 350 years: Gen 46:8 …And these [are] the names of the children of Israel, which came into Egypt, …(v.11) And the sons of Levi; Gershon, Kohath,… So after arriving in Egypt, Kohath had a son named Amram and lived 133 years (Exo. 6:18). In turn, Amram had a son named Moses and lived 137 years (Exo. 6:20). And Moses was 80 years old when the Exodus took place (Exo. 7:7)
Moses grandfather, Kohath was born before Jacobs family entered Egypt, and he died there at 133. His son and Moses father, Amram was born in Egypt, begat Moses, and later died at 137 before the Exodus which took place when Moses was 80. When simply added these total 350 years. Because we are not given exact details we know there are undetermined overlaps, therefore we know the actual years spent in Egypt would be much less than the 350 year total.
See: https://nicklasarthur.wordpress.com/2013/04/26/what-year-is-it/ and read the Isaac to Exodus section.
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Let’s say Kohath was 20 years old going into Egypt. This reduces the 350 years by another 20 years to 330 years.
But I think the big presumption is that Amram was born when Kohath was 133 years old, the year he died. How old was his wife? Probably older than Abraham’s Sarah who was 90 years old when Isaac was born. Sarah was 10 years younger than Abraham. Genesis 17:17. And the presumption that Amram was 137 years old, the year he died, when his son Moses was born. His wife too likely to be older than Sarah.
As I do not think the presumptions stand up to speculation, and therefore 350 years minus 20 years is further reduced by many more years (33+37 = 70 years less if Kohath and Amran were as old as Abraham, 100 years of age, when Isaac was born).
Sarah and Abraham laughed at the idea of giving birth in old age, and so Isaac meant ‘laughter’.
As fathering a son at 100 years of age was laughable, the figure could be reduced down a further 80 years if Kohath and Amram were aged 60 years when their sons Amran and Moses respectively were born.
We now have, 330 – 70 – 80 = 180 years. This is still a stretch as it allows the parents to be 60 years for the fathers, and 50 up to 60 years for the birthing mothers. Since this is 220 years less now than 400 years, it also reduces the 430 year sojourn down to 210 years.
So what was prophesied to Abraham in Genesis 15:13?
‘And he said unto Abram, “Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and they shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years.” KJV
‘Then the LORD said to Abram, “Know of a surety that your descendants will be sojourners in a land that is not theirs, and will be slaves there, and they will be oppressed for four hundred years; . . . ” RSV
One land only is implied by ‘a land’ in both versions of the bible.
This prophecy was realized in Exodus 12:40-41. On friendly guest terms for thirty years, then 400 years in oppressed servitude. Here the seventy relatives who came to join Joseph as his guest grew into a nation.
This is what the bible says. This is what I have to believe.
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At Gen 15.13 neither version mentions Egypt. Abrams “descendants” start with Isaac not Israel.
Here the scripture says that from the time that Abram received the promise (when God called him out of Ur of the Chaldees) to the Exodus was 430 years:
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, ——-which was four hundred and thirty years after——-, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. Gal 3:16-17
See: https://nicklasarthur.wordpress.com/2013/04/26/what-year-is-it/
Please read the Isaac to Exodus section.
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